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and then, of course, there is a debt ceiling vote. now you hear a lot of republicans making noises about backing down from the debt ceiling fight. it is interesting by the way, i know we're not here to talk about that. it is interesting how the conventional wisdom has shifted on that. >> jennifer: quickly too. >> so quickly. just another sign of the shifting sands. it all hinges on how public opinion turns. and you know, is the president going to go out on the stump? is he going to go out and barnstorm the country for his proposals? how much political capital is he going to put into it? if he really builds up public support for the proposals and public support grows and if they feel pressure, he'll bring a vote. >> >> jennifer: just to take you back to that -- not the fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling issue that the republicans do seem to be going soft on, i do think one of the reasons why they went so soft is because major traditionally republican lobbying groups were advocating like the chamber of commerce came out strongly saying this
and then, of course, there is a debt ceiling vote. now you hear a lot of republicans making noises about backing down from the debt ceiling fight. it is interesting by the way, i know we're not here to talk about that. it is interesting how the conventional wisdom has shifted on that. >> jennifer: quickly too. >> so quickly. just another sign of the shifting sands. it all hinges on how public opinion turns. and you know, is the president going to go out on the stump? is he going to...
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the white house held a firm line on saying we're not going to negotiate at all on this debt ceiling, and it worked. do you think this is a lesson that may carry for four years, when they see themselves posturing this way rather than what they have done on other issues? do you think this might be contagious within the white house? >> remember bill clinton and what the definition of is, is. with barack obama it's sort of what the definition of negotiation is. they will deal with the debt ceiling, and that's when you will have very active negotiations over the budget. what the house has effectively done is put this on a similar path, a similar timetable as these other negotiations and the president may be able to say look, the debt ceiling is going to have to be raised regardless but house members can say well that's fine, but this is what we're demanding in terms of cuts. so maybe they are not linked except for the calendar, but at least in the minds of the republicans they certainly are linked. >> michael: yeah, i couldn't agree with that more. and that's a really great take on it. on
the white house held a firm line on saying we're not going to negotiate at all on this debt ceiling, and it worked. do you think this is a lesson that may carry for four years, when they see themselves posturing this way rather than what they have done on other issues? do you think this might be contagious within the white house? >> remember bill clinton and what the definition of is, is. with barack obama it's sort of what the definition of negotiation is. they will deal with the debt...
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where does the debt ceiling fit into this? it just ensures that we pay the bills that we already spent. why are they talking about the two issues as if they're the same? >> why do they do a lot of things. but the question as that vote approaches in february or march whenever it's going to be, there are two questions actually. number one will boehner let a vote happen as he did with the fiscal cliff. he did let that vote happen. rick pearlstein mentioned the rule that boehner broke that rule for the fiscal cliff. will he break that rule again knowing that it will only get a certain number of republican votes. that's a. and b, how many republican votes will it get it being a clean debt-limit raising bill attached to no cuts. we assume that democrats would vote for that. it would mean twenty-something or 30 republicans--would that many republicans--i know obama got 85 on the fiscal cliff deal. but this is going to be a tougher vote for republicans on the debt ceiling. will he get 25 or 30. >> john: alex we have 20 second left. le
where does the debt ceiling fit into this? it just ensures that we pay the bills that we already spent. why are they talking about the two issues as if they're the same? >> why do they do a lot of things. but the question as that vote approaches in february or march whenever it's going to be, there are two questions actually. number one will boehner let a vote happen as he did with the fiscal cliff. he did let that vote happen. rick pearlstein mentioned the rule that boehner broke that...
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. >> certainly in the 14 years that i have been here but i think some of those issues like the debt ceiling, this is absolutely new territory. >> stephanie: yeah even the republican party -- we have just not seen a version of it that it was willing to take the united states hostage -- >> we have never seen that but we have never seen the kind of use of the filibuster that we see now to stop everything, and as you said, the blocking of appointments. there has always been this courtesy to the president of the united states to at least have hearings and -- and debates about these nominees but you know -- one person to stop it -- >> stephanie: right. and the way the main stream media covers it drives me insane. the president nominates a republican, and there is outrage. >> i know and he doesn't have enough beer parties or something. >> stephanie: yeah exactly. the other thing the president addressed was gun legislation, and if it is not different this time, congress woman i don't know when it will be if you watched any those sandy hook families yesterday. >> wasn't that stunning? >> stephanie:
. >> certainly in the 14 years that i have been here but i think some of those issues like the debt ceiling, this is absolutely new territory. >> stephanie: yeah even the republican party -- we have just not seen a version of it that it was willing to take the united states hostage -- >> we have never seen that but we have never seen the kind of use of the filibuster that we see now to stop everything, and as you said, the blocking of appointments. there has always been this...
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to take you back not to the fiscal cliff but the debt ceiling issues that the republicans do seem to be going soft on. i do think one of the reasons why they went soft was because traditionally republican lobbying groups were coming out. i wonder if there are traditionally republican groups like law enforcement organizations, the police associations who might tend to be conservative, if they came out strong and spoke if the faith community came out strong and spoke, they may shake a little bit. let's talk about senator cruise thinks is going to happen as a result of the gun debate. >> i think the consequence i think he's going to pay a serious political price. and i think the price that's going to be paid on this is going to manifest in senate races in 2014. >> jennifer: so your take on that. he's flipping that argument on its head. he thinks it will benefits republicans rather than cause them to lose seats. >> no, i don't see that. but the democrats and the obama organizations, they really have to get out the vote for 2014 it has to be impressed on democratic and progressive voters
to take you back not to the fiscal cliff but the debt ceiling issues that the republicans do seem to be going soft on. i do think one of the reasons why they went soft was because traditionally republican lobbying groups were coming out. i wonder if there are traditionally republican groups like law enforcement organizations, the police associations who might tend to be conservative, if they came out strong and spoke if the faith community came out strong and spoke, they may shake a little bit....